All that is known publicly is the initial sight of the encounter (the south east end of the bridge) is not the same location as the body disposal sight. I think its likely the video/photos were found during the search of JBCs property and he led them to KAK. Here is the link if interested, http://www.wpta21.com/story/35903873/witness-aided-in-sketch-of-suspect-in-indiana-teens-deaths?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_ABC21_WPTA. But what exactly is known about the man charged with the 2017 m Is this all true? This was no accident. Details of this manner are usually withheldto filter out false confessions and to ensure a guilty verdict in a future criminal trial. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Tweet by an ABC-7 news reporter showing where crime scene tape was located. Police won't release anymore to protect the integrity of the investigation, but they've seen the video and likely won't be able to stop thinking about it. Determining which alleged sightings were of the offender and which were of the no longer relevant individual is next to impossible with only the publicly available information. It is probable the "pinging around town" was a miscommunication around cellphone triangulation or cell tower function. "I also want to thank all of the reporters, podcasters, and other news and social media outlets for keeping our girls' story relevant and in the public eye. "A volunteer searcher walks the woods near the Monon high bridge east of Delphi where the two teen girls went hiking Monday afternoon and never returned. "Or is it a matter of they're strongly suspecting that other people were involved in some capacity and they want to run those things down? "Thats what I guess was the biggest shock.". Unlike any other sleuthers, we have determined the main suspects in the case, have a good idea of what happened during the crime and what the crime scene looked like, and have recently figured out the motive. Published 2:05 AM PST Nov. 15, 2022 Updated 12:41 PM PST Nov. 29, 2022. Holeman tells us investigators have more audio from Libbys phone, which was found with the girls at the crime scene. If the referred to "High Bridge trail head" is the location near the trail intersections or the location near the trail intersection is unknown. "'He got there and nobody was there. I only (saw) a guy when I first got there and another couple once I got on the bridge. We do have Crop Protection Services here in town (recently changed name to NutriAg Solutions, and funny enough they were going to move operations over to the cps building when it was vacant and got into a lease with the town but there were to many problems with the building and it didnt pass code, they never moved in and moved into a building over on Prince William rd instead. Now, as the investigation has matured and past information has been reassessed, it is the belief of investigators with the Multi-Agency Task Force that the person depicted in the sketch released on April 22nd more accurately represents the person wanted for the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German. And they have found someone who looks at that video that they released and says yes I definitely saw that guy minutes before the girls came by and I saw his face and that's where this sketch came from. Family members of Liberty German and Abigail Williams listen as Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter announces the arrest of Richard Allen for the girls' 2017 murder Oct. 31, 2022. Delphi murders suspect Richard Matthew Allen, who was arrested last week for the 2017 double slaying of teens Liberty "Libby" German and Abigail "Abby" Williams, lived and worked in the community. We now have three separate LE source both reporting dolls at the crime scene. 923. ba. First, a pitch for supporting this website and our private sleuthing group: Our private group is clearly the best Delphi sleuthing group on the Internet by far and has been since it was founded four years ago in 2017. There has been some debate online as to whether the Libby's cell phone was physically recovered by law enforcement, the idea being that the video could have been pulled from an app or cloud service if the phone was missing. I mean, how many other eye colors are there, other than blue? It is possible that a WLFI-18 reporter spoke to someone in law enforcement before or after the press conference in order to ascertain this. While Flores was long considered the sole suspect in the case, authorities said Lambert was able to uncover witnesses that investigators had never . The second statement was from an Indiana detective in another area, in this case Narcotics, who had seen crime scene photos and noted that both girls had been sexually violated with twigs, sticks, and small branches. Rebecca Rosenberg is a veteran journalist and book author with a focus on crime and criminal justice. Thats probably why LE was saying at the presser that Old BG was no longer a suspect in the crime. Two days after the new sketch was given, a news bulletin was released to clarify the relationship between the two sketches: Multi-Agency Taskforce Clarifies Points about the Delphi Murder Suspect Sketches. Im really interested in your thoughts about the motivation. Everything We Know About The Unsolved Delphi Murders. Slide to see images taken at the end of bridge and down the hill. I do believe that the new developments in this case are pertinent and involve the early search on bicycle road in some way. The Indiana State Police hold another press conference in April 2019. Anyone with information about this case is encouraged to send tips to this email address:abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com. The detective had never heard of you? Instead, it has been an area of active investigation for four years. The gag order was to be effective until the 1/13/23 hearing on moving the trial. Both said that dolls were scattered around the crime. I have been sitting on this information for 5 1/2 weeks because I was afraid that releasing this information might make the younger suspect run, but I have decided now is the right time to release it. And we have two independent reports from search party members who agree that there were dolls at the crime scene. He was a regular at JC's Bar and Grill, which has since been shuttered, where he liked to play pool, according to the Indy Star. Also, if he did cut her throat with one huge swing of a hatchet, it would have soaked BG in blood according to a search warrant from the FBI obtained. The Delphi Murders turned the small town of Delphi, Indiana from a place no one has heard about, to the place of one of the nation's most heinous, unsolved murders.. Abigail "Abby" Williams, 13-years old, and her best friend Liberty "Libby" Rose Lynn German, 14-years old, went hiking near the Monon High Bridge, a part of the historic Trails in Delphi, Indiana on Monday, February 13 . Were seeking the publics help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPS/DCS welfare building in the city of Delphi that was abandoned on the eastside of county road 300 North next to the Hoosier Heartland highway between the hours of noon to five pm on February [13th] 2017. If there was an eye witness on the trail that day who saw BG, maybe they didn't come forward because the information also places themselves near the crime scene? On April 22, 2019 law enforcement released about one second of video of which the previous stills had been taken from. Investigators searched Allen's home two weeks ago, with a focus on the property's fire pit, FOX 59 reported. "I guess that's kind of the new mission.". We say this because he has the same first and last name as Mr. X. The second woman largely corroborated much if not all of the first womans report. If there are several witnesses, Bryant would draw a sketch for each description. When I first heard these rumors from the podcaster, we were both laughing over the phone because it was so ridiculous and insane. That was the Mitchell home and it was searched because it was reported that he had a gun of the same rather uncommon caliber and make as the gun used in the crime. We also have zero evidence that BG used his stepsons photo to catfish Libby. I know we are on 2 different paths. October 30, 2022; Richard Allen - Indiana Law & Potential Charges Relating to the Delphi Homicide October 29, 2022 It is not until ages 18-19 with the completion of the widening of the hips (Yes, girls bodies keep developing after 17) that a female is completely suited for pregnancy. Currently, ine and Kevin say they're digging into the past of Allen to find out more about who he was before his arrest, and before he was "plunged into the spotlight of this heinous murder.". I thought I read that the witness was on the same set of trails that day as bg. Its believed that the killer may be from or has lived in the city of Delphi. PLENTY more shocking twists and turns should be expected in the months ahead as the Delphi murders investigation remains active and ongoing, according to a duo of prolific true crime podcasters. He and I dont necessarily agree on anything, but he doesnt seem to care about that. ", "That's what we're curious about," said ine. "New York Times article You Are Hiding in Plain Sight, 15. Stepson X being involved in either of these two ways is simply a theory based on the resemblance to the sketch, we are not accusing this young man of anything, and we request that everyone absolutely leave him alone. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. This happens a lot in remarriages. If that dick I mean Gray Hughes got any tip, it was from the information I sent to the family, that possibly like the snake he is might have retrieved this information. There has been no official indication of if this description is still relevant to the investigation as it was associated with the oldsketch. Allen, a 50-year-old CVS worker who has lived in Delphi for more than a decade, has pleaded not guilty to the charges. We assume that is true because there is a rumor to that effect and also the FBI search warrant we have says they are looking for photos, videos, cameras, videocameras, film, etc. Just forget about him. The Witnesses - Let's get the story straight. And they say the phone is now deadI saw the texts where they got delivered, but they never got read, [7]. At 17, he was the right age for a 19 year old Catfish Boy. Is it possible that the doll or stuff toy came from the old welfare building or CPS building that was torn down? How about getting your moneys worth? I always thought it was child protective services until last year. It is likely that all social media correspondence with the girls has been analyzed by the multi-agency task force. All rights reserved. Reading a transcript of the press conference (? A Google Street View photo on August 2018 shows the building is now torn down: However the building had not been torn down and can be seen still standing on February 14, 2017 in RTV-6 helicopter footage. PLENTY more shocking twists and turns should be expected in the months ahead as the Delphi murders investigation remains active and ongoing, according to a duo of prolific true crime podcasters. d) The arguing couple boyfriend said he saw a guy who matched video description - again where did the boyfriend see this guy? The man charged with the 2017 Delphi murders has been tied to a bullet found at the bloody crime scene and is believed to be the so-called "bridge guy" captured on camera by his victims, according to a newly-released affidavit.. A redacted version of the probable cause affidavit was released on Tuesday, finally revealing what led to the arrest and charging of local man Richard Allen almost . The owner, Bob Matlock, told the paper the accused killer would come in with his wife three to four times a week. Yes, a gun was used in the crime. Yes, the detective is great! Voit muuttaa valintojasi milloin tahansa siirtymll yksityisyydenhallinta-asetuksiisi. Two female members of the search party contacted team members separately with revelations about the crime. Today, a new sketch of the suspect, appearing to be in his mid-twenties to mid-thirties. I'm sooo thankful the witness came through. "What will be the evidence against him? There were definitely dolls at the site that day. The bodies of Liberty German and Abigail Williams were found on Feb. 14, 2017, after the two teens from Delphi, Ind. Accompanying each new sketch is an official description of the suspect. Where the assertion that theunreleased video is something investigators "won't be able to stop thinking about" is unclear. Richard Allen's bail hearing has been set for Thursday, June 15 at 8:30 a.m. in Carroll County. Witness sees Delphi Murder suspect, but just recently comes forward to help with composite sketch This article says the recent sketch was from a witness who saw BG. Bullet found near 2 teen girls' bodies came from suspect and witness saw man wearing "muddy and bloody" clothes, affidavit says November 30, 2022 / 6:15 AM / CBS/AP Arrest made in murders of 2 girls I can give you instructions here if you like. Allen has been charged with two counts of murder and is currently being held in a state facility without bond. So I yelled down and told them that. There were kids there before them, there were kids there during, there were kids there after. - Mike Patty, Timestamp 13:41, Interview with Mike And Becky Patty by Gray Hughes, 16. Maybe that is what took so long. "He also made it clear that the police investigation is still actively soliciting tips. If so, how did she find out? I think if I were Mr X Id be shitting myself right about now and wondering what the hell to do. Police say the girls mostly talk about 'stuff girls talk about'in the recording, but, Sgt. Stepson X is Mrs. Xs child by a previous marriage and may have been adopted by Mr. X. Like I said, idk. Hes not even a pedophile. An official website of the United States government. Yeah, they talk about me all the time, but they all hate me lol. and FSG saying he saw arguing couple. You know I ran back out to the house here and I got any Ipads or Ipods or computers or anything electronic gadgetry that I could come across to take back in so that they could review through all that." Do you have a link about that? I would really like to get some input from you, since you have been doing one heckofa job. Whether those are the same person is not yet known, but it is possible. . On the bridge? Subscribe to Forensic Tales podcast so you dont miss an episode! Perhaps Catfish Boy and Young BG are two different people. On February 19, 2017 law enforcement labeled the man in the image a prime suspect. "The witness is the main focus. And yes, that may be the tie-in with KAK. . When was this? he has never confirmed DNA evidence was recovered. "Why did we let them go out there? Legal Statement. The Indiana detectives investigating the 2017 Delphi murders claimed on Thursday to have new leads in the case and warned their suspect that they know who he is - but are yet to make any arrests . So I yelled down and told them that. If you look at the 2019 press conf, Carter says parked at the CPS/DCF [Dept of Children & Families] building. On Indiana states social services website where they list addresses to Dept of Welfare locations and Child Services locations by county. The sketch was drawn from an eye witness description of a man seen walking the trails the afternoon of the murders. Richard Allen, a 50-year-old Delphi man, was arrested last month. They reference you on Reddit all the time. The detective had had a hard time sleeping at night because the case upset him so much. Family members of Liberty German and Abigail Williams listen as Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter announces the arrest of Richard Allen for the girls' 2017 murder Oct. 31, 2022. Attorneys with the prosecutors and defense met virtually Friday for the suspect in the Delphi killings. Also, LE seem to have an actual suspect in mind as a possible accomplice, as he said the possible accomplice is considerably younger than Mr. X and has a much greater ability to run. They dont want him taking off. 2017 delphi murders of 2 teenage girls moving in 'new direction,' indiana state police say The teens were reported missing on Feb. 13, 2017, after they were dropped off at the Delphi Historic . An Indiana man accused of killing two teenage girls in the infamous Delphi murder case was linked to the crime through an unspent bullet found at the scene, newly revealed documents show. and our And at some point in the process, she would have sexually violated the other girl with sticks and twigs, while later, she would have to violate herself in much the same way, and then she would have had to have jammed twigs and sticks into the many stab wounds in her body, after which she would have cut her own throat. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Law enforcement has said that the disposal sight was 0.5 miles from the end of the bridge and across the Deer Creek. I think they love to hate you because you are that good! Libby is regarded as a true hero for having the presence of mind to record her killer. Delphi Murders: ISP says new audio, video and sketch shows Libby & Abby's killer. After searching, All rights reserved. At the moment, there is no evidence whatsoever that this young man assisted Mr. X in his crime. Just curious why no one saw the girls but later we have 3 people saying they saw a guy (BG?) Also, we have not yet confirmed that there was more than one killer involved in this crime, but see below for more on that. There are a number of childrens graves there, and there were dolls scattered around some of those graves. Robert Lindsay, Independent Journalist: l Talk about Things You're Not Supposed to Talk About. Remember the social media photo Abby and Libby posted the night before the murders? Unlike any other sleuthers, we have determined the main suspects in the case, have a good idea of what happened during the crime and what the crime scene looked like, and have recently figured out the motive. The bodies were found on private property, about 50 feet from the shore of Deer Creek. Anyway, off my soapbox. Obviously none of this happened, but BG may have wanted to stage it to look like a murder-suicide as of a sick joke. The other elements were are not sure they agreed on are: a giant plush toy animal, possibly a bear; a crucifix hung upside down; dolls hanging in trees; and a knife plunged into a log with one of the girls hands wrapped around it to make it appear she had stabbed the tree. We agree with Leaker that Young BGs drawing is based on the photo of the 19 year old Catfish Boy that was used to lure Libby from Snapchat. "Were not presuming anything at this point. I didnt see the girls at all. My sleuth now thinks that the dolls came from the graveyard. Murder Victim Delphi, Carroll County, Indiana February 13, 2017. The discrepancy between the release and the actual information said at the press conference might be due to last minute speech edits. Bryant did not draw the sketch that police released in July 2017. It could be literally anything. So theres no input from law enforcement at all in the generating of a sketch, other than my presence as the artist.". The rumor that dolls were scattered around the crime scene seems patently ridiculous. Where did she see him? 0. I also didnt take the trail that leads to the right. And this website wishes to honor that. Undated. In addition, we talked to two other people who both told us they had inside sources. They told us that their inside sources (plural) had all told them that there was some sort of luring of the girls to the site on the day of the crime. So while this does not back up the catfish theory per se, it does seem that a lot of evidence is converging on the notion that the girls were lured to the bridge that day, including about five separate sources, albeit most of them being vague. Thanks for stopping by, dear! Hi Caleb. "We caught wind that an arrest had been made a little bit earlier, but it was one of those things where it was a great tip, very credible, but we also weren't able to get it confirmed," said ine. Email me to find out. ", CVS customer Betty Cummings told the Indy Star, "He just blended right in. The first one was released on February 15, 2017. Jos haluat listietoa ja haluat hallita valintojasi, napsauta Hallitse asetuksia. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Girls age 13-14 are notorious for missing periods some months and may even miss them for months at a time. The man said he had not but that he had seen a couple on the bridge. These poor girls lost their lives horrifically, why wouldn't you come forward right away. And by the way, you are banned, baby. We now know who the FBI was looking into at first as a potential . Later I found that this same search party member had contacted two team members, and in addition, the second woman contacted one of the same team members. Ive only known about this case since early last summer (2020). Submissions should outline a mystery and provide a link to a more detailed review of the case such as a Wiki article or news report. This is what I was told by my own mother, so take it as you will. Well thats because that's where all the kids were. Though most have no idea of who Mr X is, it looks like you just said it in the replies. Source:Multi-Agency Taskforce Clarifies Points Indiana State Police Bulletin. For more information, please see our However, his middle name is different. In this case, Stepson X would be completely innocent and would instead have been simply used as a pawn by Mr. X in committing his crime. CVS . And it is easy it is to photograph a fake screenshot displayed on a phone. We simply think that he ought to be investigated for possible involvement in the crime, unwitting or not. Tweet by an ABC-15 news reporter which allegedly specifically shows where the girls bodies were found. I have a theory that the crime scene was already set up before the girls were placed there. WLFI article Community continues to search for missing teens, 8. The sketches are not exact, Bryant said. In this video taped interview, Holeman says: On February 23, 2017Sheriff Leazenby gives an interview and based on this interview some media outlets wrote articles such asthe one written by CBS-4 Indianastating: The following day,February 24, 2017, Sheriff Leazenby speaks to the press again to clarify his earlier statements. Im really interested in reading your Delphi stuff. Hello Mr Lindsay, I think that I finally found you lol, you invited me to join your group. (Indiana State Police). Prosecutors accuse Allen of forcing the girls off of the trails east of the city near the Monon High Bridge. What do we know from LE reports/statements to public or to the. News sources have also never directly referenced witness sightings of the offender. . I wonder if the witness tossed the idea around of "what if I incriminate an innocent person"? Initially law enforcement released stills from this video of the suspect. For the first time, investigators have released evidence to implicate Richard Allen in the murders of Libby German and Abby Williams during a . Abby Williams and Libby German went missing at the Monon High Bridge in Delphi on Feb. 13, 2017. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. On the 15th, Indy Channel wrote an article saying: Indiana State Police also want to talk to anyone who was parked at High Bridge Trail Head on Monday, February 13, between 1 p.m. and 5 p.m. She added that in addition, one girl has stab wounds all over her body which in which these wooden objects were also jammed into. So he would be a suspect, but half of the men in Delphi have probably been suspects at one point. And somebody yelled up that they had found a shoe. [12] They later released two more stills from the video. That is exactly what he said. Police dont call this man a suspect or person of interest in the murders. We are concerned that Mr. X may have used his stepsons photo, possibly without his permission, as the Catfish Boy used in the luring of the girls. woman walking her dog (i.e. Comment * document.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "a81b3493f6a12e73f3f44f64949534d4" );document.getElementById("b83dbe3da2").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. There is news via our LE source close to the investigation. On April 22, 2019 a sketch of the person who the Indiana State Police believe attacked Libby and Abby was released during a press conference detailing "a new direction" the investigation was taking. -, Press J to jump to the feed. Authorities announced Monday the arrest of Richard Allen, center, for the murders of Libby German, left, and her best friend, Abby Williams, in Feb. 2017. You've successfully subscribed to this newsletter! 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